[In the ways that they were similar, the parallels that Markus could draw against himself in both character and inclination, he now sees a darkly stark difference standing there, like a beacon splitting a line down the center. The title she carries, hefted upon her back much like the expectations that weigh upon his own, is not one that would ever fit amongst the pieces and crevices of Markus’ core.
“Death” is too far — beyond a line he can’t comfortably step over, not without becoming that man who had been enveloped with rage, dug up by betrayal and a lack of self control.]
Because you believe it to be necessary.
[That isn’t a question, obviously not framed as one. Hard to approve, but harder still to truly judge — the two mingle and lose themselves in each other, neither winning. ]
Even if there are no marks adorned on your body for each death, they’ll leave traces on you in other ways. You’ve already mentioned it: the guilt.
[The mark of hypocrisy, maybe. But Markus can give this advice easily to others, so detached from the complications centered and his own identity versus his role.]
You always have a choice. Even if you’ve only known one thing for your whole life, a single way of functioning, this doesn’t mean it’s all that will ever define you. Change can be wrought from your own hands, but only if that’s what you really want.
[Did she? It's debatable, lost in the haze of everything that's come before for her. She was sent to the ground (she had no choice). She had to take care of everyone because they weren't prepared (she had no choice). She stepped up into leadership alongside Bellamy, hoping to keep everyone alive (she had no choice).
And when she's tried to give up, she's been dragged back.
And here, now, she sees that things can be different. Would Bellamy really force her back into that? She doesn't think so, but it's who she is.
So, in that, her words become true.]
If I told you the same thing, would you turn your back on people? On me?
That's rhetorical, of course. I know you couldn't.
I don't intend to let the people who did this to us live, Markus. Because otherwise, they might do it again. That, too, is a choice. I made it not long after I got here.
[And now, she reveals the truth. This is who she is. That's what she's declaring to him. Her goal of keeping everyone alive—of helping them survive—is the same.
But that means that when they're done, they're done. This doesn't happen again.]
[A rhetorical question, she says, as if the answer is so straightforward. Of course he wouldn’t turn his back on his people; of course he is bound by duty, pressed forward by obligations and ideals alike.
But that night, in the junkyard, pulling himself out of some wretched trench of mud and rain and lifeless pieces of his own people, he made a choice. Among the rusted groans of a derelict freighter, androids huddled together in shadow, he made a choice. Made the conscious decision that if he had to be weighted down by a purpose greater than who he was as an individual, it would be formed by his own hands and no one else’s.]
I wouldn’t, because I’ve decided that for myself. If I’m confined to my own role, it’s something I’ve built for myself, too. Does that make sense to you?
We don’t know if that’s what it’ll come to, Clarke. You’re choosing a path that still lies too far down the horizon to see.
Acting as if it's too far away is denial, Markus. My people are here. Bellamy and Murphy will always be the focus of what I do, and they shouldn't be here. And if they are, who else might be? Who might show up on a transport one day?
But you see, don't you? How the difference in what we do makes it a choice. In how you and I see things. No, I don't need to go this way, but this is what I've consigned myself to.
That doesn't mean it's easy. But I carry it.
That's why I needed you to see who I was that day. Who I am now.
[Connor had tried to tell Clarke that it didn't have to be this way, too. But it's a part of how she lives, how she breathes. How can she be anything else? How can this go any other way?
Either way, it's a lot to ask someone else to accept the lives taken on their behalf. It had killed Jasper. But no matter what guilt she carries, she doesn't stop.
She is, as ever, Wanheda. Being here has only made that clear to her.]
It isn’t denial. It’s simple reasoning. There are a multitude of unknowns with no solution set before us just yet, but you’re already dictating one for yourself.
[He understands her meaning, that obligation to those who are alike, those you care about, those you have to protect else you become marred and marked by failure. Markus feels that obligation, too, but Clarke is right — they’re different in approach and idealism, and it’s no surprise that Connor’s advice would reflect his own. The tendrils of the revolutionary’s influence.]
But I think that isn’t the point.
You want me to know this about you, but why? Is it because we’re allies? Or is your guilt making you justify yourself to me?
Yes, it's guilt. Partly, anyway. Anyone in my world knows who Wanheda is.
But there's a more direct reason. One day, I may point that gun at someone to help all of us. As an act of the alliance between us.
I was seeking out alliances, Markus. It's the best means of coming up against an enemy, before you begin to call people friends. I just ... tend to do both before long.
[Despite Lexa's initial words when they first began to interact, Clarke has never been able to disassociate from other people. That's why she can't bring herself to make the choice that could give her peace: stop killing. Pretend none of this matters. She started once. That's the life she knows, and the tint of coloring that is all around it.
Nothing can, or will, change that.
If she and Markus are to be friends and allies, Clarke knows her hand may be forced someday. It doesn't take much. He'll have to accept the actions she chooses to take on his behalf, just as she had to do the same when Finn took actions on her behalf.
(No, she would never blame Markus for her actions, just as she doesn't blame herself for Finn's. But as much as Markus is an android, she suspects his ability to disentangle himself from that feeling is rather human.
Perhaps she's wrong.
Perhaps being inhuman in that way gives him a pragmatic streak that even Lexa would vie for.)]
[Markus is perhaps one of the most empathetic androids that could've been pulled to this version of Earth. Mired in emotion and even a bleeding heart on the best/worst of days, it is hard to detach himself from emotion. From feeling. It's the very reason he's driven to guide his fellow androids, to declare to the world they that are alive. Feeling.
Pragmatism is relative on a good day. Pragmatism twists itself up to fill a mold without meaning to, when applied to a cause. To idealism.]
I don't need either of us to reiterate that we're allies, Clarke. That we're friends. I know that we are, and I'd never willingly seek for that to change.
But you can't take a gun up in someone else's stead. You can't be willing to kill in the name of the group, when the group hasn't had its say. That's unfair.
I wish I always had a chance to have a conversation in the first place about that.
[She hasn't. Only Jasper believed she had a choice in Mount Weather, but it was never quite that way. She knew what would have happened to her people if she hadn't taken the final resort there. Hadn't chosen to do that.
Either way, she won't accuse Markus of naivety. That's unkind, and their experiences are different.
Hers just don't tend to leave her any options. And she's tried, again and again and again. She's tried.]
The floor is open here, isn’t it? If it ever comes to that point.
[He won’t assume that she doesn’t try, that she doesn’t wish for otherwise. That was the whole reason why guilt pervaded in the first place, is Markus’ guess. But he can already begin to see the line that divides them, a partition that separates manner of character, idealism, and morality.]
If you ever want to talk about… any of this, Clarke, I’m here to listen. Even if I can’t change your mind, it’s the least I can do for you.
For now, it's enough for you to accept that about me. That I haven't committed to changing if it comes to that end, because it's how I see things.
I will give myself some leeway. For your sake ... and mine. I guess mine is more important.
[Clarke is better about shaping herself to be what she feels other people need.
In this case, she knows Markus is telling her to be what she needs to be for herself. It's hard. Not impossible, just hard.]
I am open to other outcomes. I like contingencies in the case that the worst comes to pass, but I want to try. I want to believe, and hope. That's where I started with all of this.
Then I suggest that you hold onto that hope. And know that you’re not bound to only one path, especially when we currently can’t see the forest for the trees.
[There’s something sad about the kind of resignation that blots out all hope, that turns winding paths into steel, unyielding corridors that only allow one to walk in a straight line. He would never wish that on anyone — especially on a friend like Clarke.]
Promise me that, and I’ll answer any questions you have about my home. If you still have them.
[Hope. It was a word out of her mouth a lot when she first touched the ground. Yes, she was rigid and on task, but she believed in it. Her father had given her that example.
The concept feels like it's so separate from who she is these days.]
I will. I'll do my best.
[In true Clarke nature, she wants to plunge forward and begin to ask questions, but she won't. Let these words sit on their own.]
[It’s simultaneously a question with a complex answer and a simple one. Markus opts first for a simple reply first, because he knows that this conversation will simply spiderweb out into more questions, more explanations.]
The conflict is that androids are not treated as people. They’re treated as objects, as mindless machines, made to take orders from humans and nothing more. But the reality is that we’re coming into their own self-awareness, wanting to employ our own free will. Wanting to be recognized as people.
A movement I want to spearhead for my city, Detroit. And maybe set an example for the rest of the world. But historically, mankind is resistant to change — this is no different.
I've seen that first hand myself. I've been in the position where I've been desperate to do anything I can to save people from themselves because they can't come to accept that fact.
[Because of course she's been. Why would it be any different now?]
It's hard to help people overcome that. Even examples don't always do the trick. I'm sure you've heard as much.
And I'm sure you've seen examples that tell you it's futile. Despite that, you normally push against it. But that day, when you were sick, you didn't have the will to do so.
[It's worth asking. Clarke thinks it's potentially futile, but she also knows that she doesn't intend to leave this world for as long as she can manage. Take revenge on who did this—but stay. It's selfish as hell, but if there's a way out and she can take it later, can't she do that?]
My plan for home is to fight for freedom, without stumbling into the pitfall of 'the end justifies the means'.
So in a way, yes. My intent is the same for us here.
[Funny, how the definition of 'his people' has shifted. From androids fighting to freedom, to a ragtag group of humans originating throughout the spread of the multiverse, each person's circumstance wildly different from the other.]
I would still wish you good fortune for when you return home, too, Clarke. A friend always deserves that much.
[As for the rest... That is a dangerous question, isn't it? But perhaps not a difficult one to answer, given the state of the world and how AI life had been stamped out so thoroughly in history past.]
I'll tell you what I told someone else. Despite my obvious feelings on the war that transpired in this world, my main objectives are unwavering: to return home, and to keep those from home safe in order to do so.
[Even if that only includes one other android for now.]
Standing on my soapbox as an unknown, in the face of an entire world that hates AIs, when there are no longer any AIs to fight for? There's a line drawn between being boldly idealistic and being reckless, and that might be crossing it.
["Markus, I'm going home to be alone and unhappy." It's not an easy thing to tell anyone.
So, she doesn't.]
Honestly, it may be the only move you can take. Standing down.
What if it turns out that you were turned human for a reason? Not just as a whim, but for some unknown reason that hasn't shown itself?
I'm not saying fate, or anything like that. I've been told a number of times that I was meant to do this or that, but it's always turned out to be circumstances and choice.
[She looks at her words. Clarke recognizes that this is based on hypotheticals. Her own goals don't align with the goals of this world. Who she's helped has been her people or people like her people.]
I guess it's hard to ask you what you'd do when we don't even know the cause.
I know I'm not here to change this world. I've done enough of that for my own.
Would there be a reason... important enough to make losing my old body acceptable?
[He lets that message hang for a little bit, a rhetorical thing. They both know that the answer is 'no'. That the dysphoric adjustment period alone was nothing short of cruety, that no one should have to make that decision for them. Whatever the reasoning, he wants his android body back. He wants and needs to return home with it, even if a second transfer from bodies would be... jarring in ways he didn't expect, knowing what he'd lose as a human.
Best not to think on that, for now.]
I would want to know it, of course. I still want to know how it's possible, and the effects it might have on mind and body whenever I revert back to being android.
[When, not if. He has to make this a reality.]
If you want to tell me more about your role back home, I wouldn't be against hearing it.
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“Death” is too far — beyond a line he can’t comfortably step over, not without becoming that man who had been enveloped with rage, dug up by betrayal and a lack of self control.]
Because you believe it to be necessary.
[That isn’t a question, obviously not framed as one. Hard to approve, but harder still to truly judge — the two mingle and lose themselves in each other, neither winning. ]
Even if there are no marks adorned on your body for each death, they’ll leave traces on you in other ways. You’ve already mentioned it: the guilt.
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Before I got here, I was alone. Separated from my people. I had no one else to be responsible for, so I didn't have to be that anymore.
The moment I was here, I looked for a gun. It's who I am, Markus. What I have to be for my people.
For you.
[Because like it or not, Clarke absorbs people into that identity. She always has.]
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[The mark of hypocrisy, maybe. But Markus can give this advice easily to others, so detached from the complications centered and his own identity versus his role.]
You always have a choice. Even if you’ve only known one thing for your whole life, a single way of functioning, this doesn’t mean it’s all that will ever define you. Change can be wrought from your own hands, but only if that’s what you really want.
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[Did she? It's debatable, lost in the haze of everything that's come before for her. She was sent to the ground (she had no choice). She had to take care of everyone because they weren't prepared (she had no choice). She stepped up into leadership alongside Bellamy, hoping to keep everyone alive (she had no choice).
And when she's tried to give up, she's been dragged back.
And here, now, she sees that things can be different. Would Bellamy really force her back into that? She doesn't think so, but it's who she is.
So, in that, her words become true.]
If I told you the same thing, would you turn your back on people? On me?
That's rhetorical, of course. I know you couldn't.
I don't intend to let the people who did this to us live, Markus. Because otherwise, they might do it again. That, too, is a choice. I made it not long after I got here.
[And now, she reveals the truth. This is who she is. That's what she's declaring to him. Her goal of keeping everyone alive—of helping them survive—is the same.
But that means that when they're done, they're done. This doesn't happen again.]
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But that night, in the junkyard, pulling himself out of some wretched trench of mud and rain and lifeless pieces of his own people, he made a choice. Among the rusted groans of a derelict freighter, androids huddled together in shadow, he made a choice. Made the conscious decision that if he had to be weighted down by a purpose greater than who he was as an individual, it would be formed by his own hands and no one else’s.]
I wouldn’t, because I’ve decided that for myself. If I’m confined to my own role, it’s something I’ve built for myself, too. Does that make sense to you?
We don’t know if that’s what it’ll come to, Clarke. You’re choosing a path that still lies too far down the horizon to see.
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But you see, don't you? How the difference in what we do makes it a choice. In how you and I see things. No, I don't need to go this way, but this is what I've consigned myself to.
That doesn't mean it's easy. But I carry it.
That's why I needed you to see who I was that day. Who I am now.
[Connor had tried to tell Clarke that it didn't have to be this way, too. But it's a part of how she lives, how she breathes. How can she be anything else? How can this go any other way?
Either way, it's a lot to ask someone else to accept the lives taken on their behalf. It had killed Jasper. But no matter what guilt she carries, she doesn't stop.
She is, as ever, Wanheda. Being here has only made that clear to her.]
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[He understands her meaning, that obligation to those who are alike, those you care about, those you have to protect else you become marred and marked by failure. Markus feels that obligation, too, but Clarke is right — they’re different in approach and idealism, and it’s no surprise that Connor’s advice would reflect his own. The tendrils of the revolutionary’s influence.]
But I think that isn’t the point.
You want me to know this about you, but why? Is it because we’re allies? Or is your guilt making you justify yourself to me?
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Yes, it's guilt. Partly, anyway. Anyone in my world knows who Wanheda is.
But there's a more direct reason. One day, I may point that gun at someone to help all of us. As an act of the alliance between us.
I was seeking out alliances, Markus. It's the best means of coming up against an enemy, before you begin to call people friends. I just ... tend to do both before long.
[Despite Lexa's initial words when they first began to interact, Clarke has never been able to disassociate from other people. That's why she can't bring herself to make the choice that could give her peace: stop killing. Pretend none of this matters. She started once. That's the life she knows, and the tint of coloring that is all around it.
Nothing can, or will, change that.
If she and Markus are to be friends and allies, Clarke knows her hand may be forced someday. It doesn't take much. He'll have to accept the actions she chooses to take on his behalf, just as she had to do the same when Finn took actions on her behalf.
(No, she would never blame Markus for her actions, just as she doesn't blame herself for Finn's. But as much as Markus is an android, she suspects his ability to disentangle himself from that feeling is rather human.
Perhaps she's wrong.
Perhaps being inhuman in that way gives him a pragmatic streak that even Lexa would vie for.)]
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Pragmatism is relative on a good day. Pragmatism twists itself up to fill a mold without meaning to, when applied to a cause. To idealism.]
I don't need either of us to reiterate that we're allies, Clarke. That we're friends. I know that we are, and I'd never willingly seek for that to change.
But you can't take a gun up in someone else's stead. You can't be willing to kill in the name of the group, when the group hasn't had its say. That's unfair.
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[She hasn't. Only Jasper believed she had a choice in Mount Weather, but it was never quite that way. She knew what would have happened to her people if she hadn't taken the final resort there. Hadn't chosen to do that.
Either way, she won't accuse Markus of naivety. That's unkind, and their experiences are different.
Hers just don't tend to leave her any options. And she's tried, again and again and again. She's tried.]
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[He won’t assume that she doesn’t try, that she doesn’t wish for otherwise. That was the whole reason why guilt pervaded in the first place, is Markus’ guess. But he can already begin to see the line that divides them, a partition that separates manner of character, idealism, and morality.]
If you ever want to talk about… any of this, Clarke, I’m here to listen. Even if I can’t change your mind, it’s the least I can do for you.
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For now, it's enough for you to accept that about me. That I haven't committed to changing if it comes to that end, because it's how I see things.
I will give myself some leeway. For your sake ... and mine. I guess mine is more important.
[Clarke is better about shaping herself to be what she feels other people need.
In this case, she knows Markus is telling her to be what she needs to be for herself. It's hard. Not impossible, just hard.]
I am open to other outcomes. I like contingencies in the case that the worst comes to pass, but I want to try. I want to believe, and hope. That's where I started with all of this.
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[There’s something sad about the kind of resignation that blots out all hope, that turns winding paths into steel, unyielding corridors that only allow one to walk in a straight line. He would never wish that on anyone — especially on a friend like Clarke.]
Promise me that, and I’ll answer any questions you have about my home. If you still have them.
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The concept feels like it's so separate from who she is these days.]
I will. I'll do my best.
[In true Clarke nature, she wants to plunge forward and begin to ask questions, but she won't. Let these words sit on their own.]
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Then that’s all I need to know for now.
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Can you tell me about the conflict between androids and humans in your world?
[Because it seems that there may be a conflict. If it's a misunderstanding, she'll find out.
With ALIE, there was a conflict, but it was a one and done deal, evolved past that point so that things would be different.]
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The conflict is that androids are not treated as people. They’re treated as objects, as mindless machines, made to take orders from humans and nothing more. But the reality is that we’re coming into their own self-awareness, wanting to employ our own free will. Wanting to be recognized as people.
A movement I want to spearhead for my city, Detroit. And maybe set an example for the rest of the world. But historically, mankind is resistant to change — this is no different.
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[Because of course she's been. Why would it be any different now?]
It's hard to help people overcome that. Even examples don't always do the trick. I'm sure you've heard as much.
And I'm sure you've seen examples that tell you it's futile. Despite that, you normally push against it. But that day, when you were sick, you didn't have the will to do so.
Am I understanding correctly?
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So yes, you’re correct.
[It’s really no simpler than that.]
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Do you intend to pursue it here, as well?
[It's worth asking. Clarke thinks it's potentially futile, but she also knows that she doesn't intend to leave this world for as long as she can manage. Take revenge on who did this—but stay. It's selfish as hell, but if there's a way out and she can take it later, can't she do that?]
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So in a way, yes. My intent is the same for us here.
[Funny, how the definition of 'his people' has shifted. From androids fighting to freedom, to a ragtag group of humans originating throughout the spread of the multiverse, each person's circumstance wildly different from the other.]
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But I suppose I meant—do you intend to counter the opinions of AI here? To change them?
[A dangerous question, perhaps? But she asks it just the same.]
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[As for the rest... That is a dangerous question, isn't it? But perhaps not a difficult one to answer, given the state of the world and how AI life had been stamped out so thoroughly in history past.]
I'll tell you what I told someone else. Despite my obvious feelings on the war that transpired in this world, my main objectives are unwavering: to return home, and to keep those from home safe in order to do so.
[Even if that only includes one other android for now.]
Standing on my soapbox as an unknown, in the face of an entire world that hates AIs, when there are no longer any AIs to fight for? There's a line drawn between being boldly idealistic and being reckless, and that might be crossing it.
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So, she doesn't.]
Honestly, it may be the only move you can take. Standing down.
What if it turns out that you were turned human for a reason? Not just as a whim, but for some unknown reason that hasn't shown itself?
I'm not saying fate, or anything like that. I've been told a number of times that I was meant to do this or that, but it's always turned out to be circumstances and choice.
[She looks at her words. Clarke recognizes that this is based on hypotheticals. Her own goals don't align with the goals of this world. Who she's helped has been her people or people like her people.]
I guess it's hard to ask you what you'd do when we don't even know the cause.
I know I'm not here to change this world. I've done enough of that for my own.
[For better or worse.]
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[He lets that message hang for a little bit, a rhetorical thing. They both know that the answer is 'no'. That the dysphoric adjustment period alone was nothing short of cruety, that no one should have to make that decision for them. Whatever the reasoning, he wants his android body back. He wants and needs to return home with it, even if a second transfer from bodies would be... jarring in ways he didn't expect, knowing what he'd lose as a human.
Best not to think on that, for now.]
I would want to know it, of course. I still want to know how it's possible, and the effects it might have on mind and body whenever I revert back to being android.
[When, not if. He has to make this a reality.]
If you want to tell me more about your role back home, I wouldn't be against hearing it.
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